It's All About Me... Who am I?
- DanNuroo
- Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
- I'm in my mid thirties, I love what I do and I love my family. This blog is essentially me morphing my life into Recruiting. Expect the odd long bow to be drawn. I'm a passionate career Recruiter with more than a decade's experience in the IT Recruitment world, I have things to say.. and with this I will
Tuesday, June 23, 2009
Online presence - Getting a secret identity
It's true, everything you write on the web, stays on the web, somewhere, somehow.
You can imagine it can't you, (well I can) at the last stages of an election campaign, the year is 2030 (when I'm too old and Gen Ys assume the mantle of being the old people in control). Potential PM candidate A) in full debate in the lower house stands up and says, "Well, well well, the member for Curtain cannot be seriously considered as a future leader of our fair nation. When back in 2009 you were tagged in facebook (remember that) being drunk in a public place and kissing someone who clearly is not your now wife! You twittered about the fact you took a sick day when you weren't AND you were a vampire on facebook and recruited demons to your team!"
With that in mind and in an attempt to keep my flagging political aspirations on the straight and narrow (OK I have none, but you never know). I have started Tweeting with a pen name! an alter ego if you will. With my role as a public face of my company, and a need to ensure my personal brand (I had to throw that term in) doesn't get too tarnished, I need to self edit a lot when it comes to posts, the good the bad and the ugly. It is tough to say what I really think sometimes, as I don't want things to reflect negatively on my company. Plus I penned our corporate social media guidelines :)
I am interested to see how this will evolve, if I will get the freedom I crave and if I would ever have to reveal my true identity... and if fake Dan over takes real Dan hmmmmmm
Monday, June 8, 2009
Virtual Recruitment Pride March!
Let's have a parade.
I was reading a reply to a question I posed on the Australian Corporate Recruiters site (blatant plug)around why people do Recruitment. A response I received by David Talamelli got me thinking. He responded with "I am still amazed when I see people calling themselves Senior Recruiters with 3-4 yrs exp."
I believe this is due to the fact that people drop out of the industry relatively quickly, it is rare to see 20 + year veterans still recruiting. I know they are out there, I'm quickly becoming one scarily enough, however there is still a very high level of churn out there, in both the agency world and corporate in-house Recruiting.
There is a huge churn in this industry, people on recruitingblogs.com are quoting that 90% of the industry have disappeared in the last year. That is a startling idea. Imagine that in any other industry? 90% of doctors leave their industry! 90% of Production workers don't show up one day to work! Imagine the world then. Chaos!
Why is there that churn? Why don't people stay in this industry for long? Are they all just smarter than me? Know something I don't know?
I think one of the main reasons is that expectations are just not met. People are seduced by the apparent "easy" money in the Agency side of the world, get suckered in "Boiler Room" style. Make a few bucks initially and all of the sudden the world is your oyster and this life business is great. You're on an OTE of more than your parents could ever have dreamed of, and this is the best business in the world. All of the sudden, you have to start making the revenue to hit those numbers to achieve your OTE. Your in the focus of Management as you have to deserve your OTE, people start asking you for activity stats, how many cold calls have you made? how many cv's have you submitted? How many interviews have you booked? How many client meetings have you scheduled?
If the markets hits a downturn, like it has, this pressure becomes extremely intense. I'm sure those of you in the Third party world reading this know what I mean. I feel you. One of my early bosses told me something when I was a young and cocky Recruiter. I went to him asking for an increase, I was hitting my numbers, and wanted to change the structure for over achievement. He told me this. "Son, I can give you whatever OTE you want, no problems. You want a million dollar OTE, done! Just bill me 10 million and it's yours! The more you earn, or can potentially earn the more pressure you'll get"
I think a lot of people entering the industry don't get that, they forget that this is a sales role, and you are only ever as good as your last month. So when the pressure gets to much.. they go. Most leave the industry and find a real job, others flee to internal Recruitment.
There is an old saying I heard from some agency mates of mine that In-house Recruiters are just agency recruiters who couldn't cut it in the cut and thrust of that market. Stating the main reason being they hated the sales part of their role. The constant need for numbers to justify their existence. Some want to use it (the move) as a spring board into the exciting world of HR.
When I interview these people, I have bad news for them. In my opinion, In-house Recruitment is still sales, sometimes it is hidden within an HR function, but in my world it is one of two main externally facing departments of an organisation. Business Development and Recruitment, both view the organisation from the inside out. How do we get stuff into the organisation, money, people? HR needs to view from inside. What is affecting the company today? what risks are there? how can we keep and develop our people? (I know superficial, but enough for now).
Successful In-house Recruiters need to be more externally focussed, than your average HR person, and I truly believe it is not a good match to have Recruitment and HR in the same department. Unless of course you need just process people to get through all the cvs etc.
Attraction is sales! or is it marketing? Headhunting, locating and attracting "passive" candidates is sales.
People don't think that the pressure of an internal Recruiter could be anywhere near as much as it is as a Third Party Recruiter. Do I have more bad news for you!
Recruitment is one of the easiest quantifiable areas in the business. I have a simple mind, I keep it easy to understand. If we need 10 people and we hire 10 people in a timely manner! Great, a job well done! If we don't.. why NOT? Why are you holding up the business?
I started thinking about the opportunity cost of not having someone in a job, the opportunity cost of having the wrong person in the job, and the cost of a bad hire. Hmmm it's an expensive business this. Over $1000 per day. Therefore 30 people is $30,000 a day. $150,000 a week. Those numbers gets you a big profile with all business leaders, C Level executives and even board members I tell you. I know I didn't have a $7.2 million budget when I was in an Agency. (and no I never did go for that million dollar OTE) Try telling all these people that you won't have anyone for them tomorrow, or the next day or the perfect person you offered took another role.
You can shrug your shoulders and keep moving, but eventually these real business imperatives will hit you square between the eyes. This pressure builds up and sees many a person move on, into HR, or even back to sales where at least there is more than just a salary on offer for their hard work. Not many people want to do it. Trust me they'll all tell you how to do it, but not many want to sit at your desk, get on the internet or (god help us) the PHONE and work through all those cvs or sit through all those interviews.
This is just how it is. Is it explained to people fully when they join the industry. It sure wasn't to me.
Let's face it, I'm about to let the cat out of the bag here, (kind of like those spoil sports who shocked the world with the facts that WWE wrestling is not exactly a real sport, it's "Sports entertainment") now listen carefully.... "Recruiting is not rocket science. The process can be repetitive, boring and mind sapping. The process is not easy. But it's not that hard." (I think the majority of the industry still rely soley on placing ads on job boards and awaiting the response.) The challenge in Recruiting is to survive through these functions and still find a way to achieve great things, to innovate and to drive. To do things better and faster than your competitors at all times, even in this new world of collaboration.
For those of us that do this and do it well. We help people find the next stage in their career, we help companies hit their corporate goals, we give organisations some of their competitive advantage, in a rather thankless, under appreciated, under valued and sometimes under respected role.
I vote for a parade of Recruiters. Those who will tell newbies to the Recruitment world what it is all about, to open their eyes to this "real" world of Recruitment and what they should expect. I would love to see a gathering of Recruiters who are proud of what they do, who they do it for and are open as to what they get out of it. A group happy to march up main street proclaiming what they do to all who peek out their windows. Marching with our Twitterbird flags, on cloud computing floats.
STOP THE CHURN!
"I'm here, I Recruit... Get used to it!"
I was reading a reply to a question I posed on the Australian Corporate Recruiters site (blatant plug)around why people do Recruitment. A response I received by David Talamelli got me thinking. He responded with "I am still amazed when I see people calling themselves Senior Recruiters with 3-4 yrs exp."
I believe this is due to the fact that people drop out of the industry relatively quickly, it is rare to see 20 + year veterans still recruiting. I know they are out there, I'm quickly becoming one scarily enough, however there is still a very high level of churn out there, in both the agency world and corporate in-house Recruiting.
There is a huge churn in this industry, people on recruitingblogs.com are quoting that 90% of the industry have disappeared in the last year. That is a startling idea. Imagine that in any other industry? 90% of doctors leave their industry! 90% of Production workers don't show up one day to work! Imagine the world then. Chaos!
Why is there that churn? Why don't people stay in this industry for long? Are they all just smarter than me? Know something I don't know?
I think one of the main reasons is that expectations are just not met. People are seduced by the apparent "easy" money in the Agency side of the world, get suckered in "Boiler Room" style. Make a few bucks initially and all of the sudden the world is your oyster and this life business is great. You're on an OTE of more than your parents could ever have dreamed of, and this is the best business in the world. All of the sudden, you have to start making the revenue to hit those numbers to achieve your OTE. Your in the focus of Management as you have to deserve your OTE, people start asking you for activity stats, how many cold calls have you made? how many cv's have you submitted? How many interviews have you booked? How many client meetings have you scheduled?
If the markets hits a downturn, like it has, this pressure becomes extremely intense. I'm sure those of you in the Third party world reading this know what I mean. I feel you. One of my early bosses told me something when I was a young and cocky Recruiter. I went to him asking for an increase, I was hitting my numbers, and wanted to change the structure for over achievement. He told me this. "Son, I can give you whatever OTE you want, no problems. You want a million dollar OTE, done! Just bill me 10 million and it's yours! The more you earn, or can potentially earn the more pressure you'll get"
I think a lot of people entering the industry don't get that, they forget that this is a sales role, and you are only ever as good as your last month. So when the pressure gets to much.. they go. Most leave the industry and find a real job, others flee to internal Recruitment.
There is an old saying I heard from some agency mates of mine that In-house Recruiters are just agency recruiters who couldn't cut it in the cut and thrust of that market. Stating the main reason being they hated the sales part of their role. The constant need for numbers to justify their existence. Some want to use it (the move) as a spring board into the exciting world of HR.
When I interview these people, I have bad news for them. In my opinion, In-house Recruitment is still sales, sometimes it is hidden within an HR function, but in my world it is one of two main externally facing departments of an organisation. Business Development and Recruitment, both view the organisation from the inside out. How do we get stuff into the organisation, money, people? HR needs to view from inside. What is affecting the company today? what risks are there? how can we keep and develop our people? (I know superficial, but enough for now).
Successful In-house Recruiters need to be more externally focussed, than your average HR person, and I truly believe it is not a good match to have Recruitment and HR in the same department. Unless of course you need just process people to get through all the cvs etc.
Attraction is sales! or is it marketing? Headhunting, locating and attracting "passive" candidates is sales.
People don't think that the pressure of an internal Recruiter could be anywhere near as much as it is as a Third Party Recruiter. Do I have more bad news for you!
Recruitment is one of the easiest quantifiable areas in the business. I have a simple mind, I keep it easy to understand. If we need 10 people and we hire 10 people in a timely manner! Great, a job well done! If we don't.. why NOT? Why are you holding up the business?
I started thinking about the opportunity cost of not having someone in a job, the opportunity cost of having the wrong person in the job, and the cost of a bad hire. Hmmm it's an expensive business this. Over $1000 per day. Therefore 30 people is $30,000 a day. $150,000 a week. Those numbers gets you a big profile with all business leaders, C Level executives and even board members I tell you. I know I didn't have a $7.2 million budget when I was in an Agency. (and no I never did go for that million dollar OTE) Try telling all these people that you won't have anyone for them tomorrow, or the next day or the perfect person you offered took another role.
You can shrug your shoulders and keep moving, but eventually these real business imperatives will hit you square between the eyes. This pressure builds up and sees many a person move on, into HR, or even back to sales where at least there is more than just a salary on offer for their hard work. Not many people want to do it. Trust me they'll all tell you how to do it, but not many want to sit at your desk, get on the internet or (god help us) the PHONE and work through all those cvs or sit through all those interviews.
This is just how it is. Is it explained to people fully when they join the industry. It sure wasn't to me.
Let's face it, I'm about to let the cat out of the bag here, (kind of like those spoil sports who shocked the world with the facts that WWE wrestling is not exactly a real sport, it's "Sports entertainment") now listen carefully.... "Recruiting is not rocket science. The process can be repetitive, boring and mind sapping. The process is not easy. But it's not that hard." (I think the majority of the industry still rely soley on placing ads on job boards and awaiting the response.) The challenge in Recruiting is to survive through these functions and still find a way to achieve great things, to innovate and to drive. To do things better and faster than your competitors at all times, even in this new world of collaboration.
For those of us that do this and do it well. We help people find the next stage in their career, we help companies hit their corporate goals, we give organisations some of their competitive advantage, in a rather thankless, under appreciated, under valued and sometimes under respected role.
I vote for a parade of Recruiters. Those who will tell newbies to the Recruitment world what it is all about, to open their eyes to this "real" world of Recruitment and what they should expect. I would love to see a gathering of Recruiters who are proud of what they do, who they do it for and are open as to what they get out of it. A group happy to march up main street proclaiming what they do to all who peek out their windows. Marching with our Twitterbird flags, on cloud computing floats.
STOP THE CHURN!
"I'm here, I Recruit... Get used to it!"
Wednesday, June 3, 2009
Don't be seduced with the dream of easy success
Weird times we live in huh?
A few months ago, I was sitting in my office, thinking of ways to keep my department relevant. So much time and brain power was used in thinking of ways to keep the Recruiting team out of the firing line (literally) in times when hiring wasn't happening as quickly as it had in the past. I knew it was tough times, but fought hard to keep my team in tact. Not that it was specifically targeted by my company, however I know investors and market analysts asked the question repeatedly to my Directors.
I was dying to get my teeth into the market, salivating at the idea of all that talent out there waiting for me to hire them, Super Dan to the rescue, handing out jobs to those who need them and helping the company rise above this recession at the same time.
And now? Well, guess what? I have my opportunity! Here it is Dan, we need the people, out you go. Don the super gear, put on the cape, (underpants on the outside, well that's optional) and find us all that talent!
Cool, easy, this'll rock. Right? Wrong! Man was I surprised. Ready, set, post ad, sit back and wait for all the great talent to line up at your desk begging for a job for half the salary they would have earned 1 year ago.
The applications did flood in, and flood in and flood in. My Inbox is almost alive, I think it is breathing, and I know it is watching me. I'm filtering through it and honestly.... the expected line of A candidates, must be stuck at someone else's desk.
I find myself being meaner than normal, meaner is a harsh term, I'm expecting more of my candidates at the moment. I'm fighting harder to manage the businesses expectations and hit my own expectations with the realistic shovel. I didn't think I'd have to hunt for passive candidates for a while.. but guess what? Just did, couldn't get the skill set via ad and had to find another avenue to deliver.. What the?
Don't be seduced with the dream of easy success if you only had the requirements to work on. Quality is of even more importance at the moment, don't sacrifice!
My apologies to all if anyone thought the world as we knew it has changed irreversibly.... THE GAME HASN'T CHANGED, the rules haven't changed, there is a few more players in some parts and a few less in others. You still have to work hard to get the right talent in. (I'm yet to find that magic wand, if anyone has it out there, please share)
It's great though, I love the buzz of hiring. Being allowed to hire is what sustains my team. Hiring people gives us strength and allows us to build momentum to really add value to the organisation. We are really glad we kept filling the talent pool.
That would be my biggest tip to anyone out there reading this in the Recruitosphere, if your market hasn't turned.. keep working that talent pool, be honest with your candidates, be ready to deliver when the time comes.
A few months ago, I was sitting in my office, thinking of ways to keep my department relevant. So much time and brain power was used in thinking of ways to keep the Recruiting team out of the firing line (literally) in times when hiring wasn't happening as quickly as it had in the past. I knew it was tough times, but fought hard to keep my team in tact. Not that it was specifically targeted by my company, however I know investors and market analysts asked the question repeatedly to my Directors.
I was dying to get my teeth into the market, salivating at the idea of all that talent out there waiting for me to hire them, Super Dan to the rescue, handing out jobs to those who need them and helping the company rise above this recession at the same time.
And now? Well, guess what? I have my opportunity! Here it is Dan, we need the people, out you go. Don the super gear, put on the cape, (underpants on the outside, well that's optional) and find us all that talent!
Cool, easy, this'll rock. Right? Wrong! Man was I surprised. Ready, set, post ad, sit back and wait for all the great talent to line up at your desk begging for a job for half the salary they would have earned 1 year ago.
The applications did flood in, and flood in and flood in. My Inbox is almost alive, I think it is breathing, and I know it is watching me. I'm filtering through it and honestly.... the expected line of A candidates, must be stuck at someone else's desk.
I find myself being meaner than normal, meaner is a harsh term, I'm expecting more of my candidates at the moment. I'm fighting harder to manage the businesses expectations and hit my own expectations with the realistic shovel. I didn't think I'd have to hunt for passive candidates for a while.. but guess what? Just did, couldn't get the skill set via ad and had to find another avenue to deliver.. What the?
Don't be seduced with the dream of easy success if you only had the requirements to work on. Quality is of even more importance at the moment, don't sacrifice!
My apologies to all if anyone thought the world as we knew it has changed irreversibly.... THE GAME HASN'T CHANGED, the rules haven't changed, there is a few more players in some parts and a few less in others. You still have to work hard to get the right talent in. (I'm yet to find that magic wand, if anyone has it out there, please share)
It's great though, I love the buzz of hiring. Being allowed to hire is what sustains my team. Hiring people gives us strength and allows us to build momentum to really add value to the organisation. We are really glad we kept filling the talent pool.
That would be my biggest tip to anyone out there reading this in the Recruitosphere, if your market hasn't turned.. keep working that talent pool, be honest with your candidates, be ready to deliver when the time comes.
Tuesday, June 2, 2009
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